“When you confer spiritual authority on another person, you must realize that you are allowing them to pick your pocket and sell you your own watch.” - Alan Watts
Well yeah, that's kinda what "will" means as (uh oh... I'm gonna go there, to your chagrin) has been noted patristically
Also, if you think the Fathers are referenced because we think they're smarter than us, or because they're great scientists or whatever, you are woefully missing the point (per usual with you).
Many of them were intelligent, many weren't. Kinda like us moderns. You can view them like you'd few OT Israel, and how we view ourselves. We reference them not because they're smarter, but because they're probably about the same as us.
Just as they are not inherently better by being born before, the opposite is also true: we are not inherently better by nature of us being born later. That one needs to be smacked in people's heads a bit more, I think.
They also have a significant recency bias that we wish we had, being, y'know, pretty damn close to the time of Christ. That accounts for something, right?
You're free to shit in the woods then roll in it and then proceed to eat the shit covered leaves. Nobody is disputing that. Might not be in your best interest though. That's kind of closer to the true nature of "authority". Plato got this, certainly, except he's old and therefore dumb.
The Catholic Church has infallible authority over the truth about salvation. It’s called the Magisterium. Jesus gave it to her. Anything else is just my opinion vs yours. Become Catholic.
I’d be genuinely curious your reaction to testing your hypothesis that authority is based vaporous and based on nothing by affronting legal authority. I think we would find it is very real and binding. Interpreted into an intelligible case law corpus through time and enforced today.
I don’t know what that means. Maybe to my own detriment. I’d like your thoughts though on Christ’s authority, appearing in the passage you gave, coming from the Father. Would you imply that the Father’s authority, for example by which Christ judges the world in the last day, to be the only authority? Or would you still maintain that authority is written on water and unbinding?
I am using “authority” specifically the way that most do when using authority as what I call “a liability shield”, for agency laundering.
There is a real authority only sort of related to that though. Authority as in author, the one who authors a thing. The author of a thing does have a spiritual claim to ownership of it, and therefore authority over it. In the example you give, the US government has authority over legally recognizable entities, which it has created, but less so over that which it has not created (eg men and women).
“When you confer spiritual authority on another person, you must realize that you are allowing them to pick your pocket and sell you your own watch.” - Alan Watts
Ok apostate Catholic
Thank you LSD man, very cool
Watts wasn’t an LSD man
Yes he was, you are wrong
Do you mean that he used LSD or that he was a proponent of it? I agree he tried LSD, he wasn’t going around preaching it’s virtues
He was the king of it
That’s not true lol
Interesting read. I think the leading authority soon will be Grok/Chat GPT :D Be your own AI pope :P
Well yeah, that's kinda what "will" means as (uh oh... I'm gonna go there, to your chagrin) has been noted patristically
Also, if you think the Fathers are referenced because we think they're smarter than us, or because they're great scientists or whatever, you are woefully missing the point (per usual with you).
Many of them were intelligent, many weren't. Kinda like us moderns. You can view them like you'd few OT Israel, and how we view ourselves. We reference them not because they're smarter, but because they're probably about the same as us.
Just as they are not inherently better by being born before, the opposite is also true: we are not inherently better by nature of us being born later. That one needs to be smacked in people's heads a bit more, I think.
They also have a significant recency bias that we wish we had, being, y'know, pretty damn close to the time of Christ. That accounts for something, right?
You're free to shit in the woods then roll in it and then proceed to eat the shit covered leaves. Nobody is disputing that. Might not be in your best interest though. That's kind of closer to the true nature of "authority". Plato got this, certainly, except he's old and therefore dumb.
I think you might be arguing with a point that I’m not making.
The Catholic Church has infallible authority over the truth about salvation. It’s called the Magisterium. Jesus gave it to her. Anything else is just my opinion vs yours. Become Catholic.
I’d be genuinely curious your reaction to testing your hypothesis that authority is based vaporous and based on nothing by affronting legal authority. I think we would find it is very real and binding. Interpreted into an intelligible case law corpus through time and enforced today.
Most every conviction is self inflicted.
I don’t know what that means. Maybe to my own detriment. I’d like your thoughts though on Christ’s authority, appearing in the passage you gave, coming from the Father. Would you imply that the Father’s authority, for example by which Christ judges the world in the last day, to be the only authority? Or would you still maintain that authority is written on water and unbinding?
I am using “authority” specifically the way that most do when using authority as what I call “a liability shield”, for agency laundering.
There is a real authority only sort of related to that though. Authority as in author, the one who authors a thing. The author of a thing does have a spiritual claim to ownership of it, and therefore authority over it. In the example you give, the US government has authority over legally recognizable entities, which it has created, but less so over that which it has not created (eg men and women).
Reluctant LSD King... birds of a feather
Tl;dr "do what thou wilt"
On the contrary, tl;dr, "Accept that what you do is always what you will."